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From an economist's point of view, Etzioni's approach seems designed for ineffectiveness. Talk doesn't change costs as seen by the decision-maker; talk is easily endured and easily avoided. On the other hand, eviction imposes real costs upon a tenant, and the threat of eviction might well change the behavior of our sexually active AIDS carrier. It is precisely this sort of effective response that liberals -- and Etzioni -- are most eager to rule out of bounds.

Few social attitudes have been under greater attack for the last forty years than moralism -- the idea that people should reward those who adhere to their moral principles and withhold rewards from those who don't. We associate moralism with the misery of Hester Prynne, and regard it as evil. But it is the only effective way, short of tyrannical coercion, to regularize human preferences and establish social norms.

Without these regularities, conflict becomes routine; without shared norms, it is difficult to cooperatively resolve conflict. The destruction of moralism leads us to Hobbes's choice between coercive authority and an anarchy that makes life nasty, brutish, and short. Curiously, the leading practitioners of moralism today are liberals.

Liberals are not shy about urging smokers to put out their cigarettes, or about urging Christian fundamentalists to cease their denunciations of homosexual intercourse. Communitarians are good folk, but they seem to take some elements of the liberals' "public ideology" -- e. In doing so they may be inadvertently undermining the moral basis of community.

Meanwhile, who is to enforce the treaty against governments? It's hard to avoid the conclusion that the European goal is to diminish the global private sector and impede globalization by making international trade risky and costly. How is it that the French manage to dominate the European Union so? Perhaps the best lack all conviction. It is understandably frustrating for friends of justice and liberty that the U. I do not understand the geopolitical reasons that have prevented U.

It is also understandable that Jews, who have been betrayed so many times in the past, should fear betrayal once again. But it is worthwhile to step back and see that the roadmap is a step forward intellectually and politically; and that such steps must be taken if the situation is to be resolved without horrific loss of life. In style, the roadmap repeats all the mistakes of Oslo.

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In structure it makes one critical change: In Oslo, Palestinian statehood was to be the end result; in the roadmap, the state comes in the middle. Sharon is a disciple of Ben-Gurion and The deal Sharon is offering the Palestinians is a partial state in exchange for a partial peace. You don't want to renounce the "right of return" and accept Israel as a Jewish state? Fine, says Sharon, but for that all you get is a truncated state whose borders are controlled by Israel.


Why would the Palestinians accept such a deal? Because they know that the only alternatives are the status quo, in which both sides bleed indefinitely, or making a full peace, neither of which they want. Singer is one of the first pundits to come around to this view.

Time, and the advance of freedom in the Middle East beginning in Iraq, will steadily make the alternative of peace more and more attractive to ordinary Palestinians. By clarifying the problem into stark alternatives of endless destructive warfare and a prosperous peace in a democratic state, and by waiting patiently for Arab minds to change while steadily increasing the benefits of peace, the Bush-Sharon strategy holds out hope for eventual resolution to the conflict without catastrophic loss of live.

Palestinians, Abbas included, are being walked toward a stark choice between terrorism and peace. The "roadmap to peace" shows Palestinians the alternative of a democratic Palestinian state obtained through peace. The "fight to the death" shows the alternative that awaits terrorists who do not embrace the roadmap: a war of annihilation. What does it say that European music is unendurable to the enemy? Perhaps though they war with the U. Now, I admit Bush is pretty good at this. But sooner or later, this kind of cleverness tends to backfire. Living out here, it's great to see such a detailed account, so Thank You Very Much.

Have a great rest-of-the-weekend, Folks. John D: Seen reissues in Canada! They are hard to find but they are around,oddly enough I found The Brown Album in a used shop. Some heretic did me a favour and brought it in. Glad your doing well John, continued good health Anyone seen the new Band re-issues yet in Canada? Dylan, Mavis, Hubert, The Wallflowers??? That's SOME road trip!

Have a good time, man! I know I would! Can't wait till the 12, when you guys come back to NYC. It's been some months since I've seen the BarnBurners and I'm really looking forward to it. I just got The Band Woodstock '94 video. It's pretty good barring some sound problems it seems the mixing board guy KEEPS mixing as The Band plays, leading to many a sound inconsistency. I didn't recognize any of them, but I really liked the horn section that was playing with The Band. Trying to play catch up here in the GB.

As far as TLW, is concerned, I find it interesting to know what actually happened, behind the scenes, which I feel is to a great extent, very unfortunate. My favorite parts of TLW, are when Garth, gives that wonderful speech about the view of jazz being evil, and the greatest priest on 52'nd street, being the musicians. I enjoyed the scene with Rick and Scorsese, back in the master control recording room, where Rick sits back, pulls down his hat over his eyes, and you hear "Sip The Wine", in the background. The comradeship, that they seemed to share had me hooked as a Band Fan forever!

Therefore, IMO the one good thing that did come out of this film, is that it still has that certain magic which continues to enthrall us and our youth; our future Band Fans! John D. It's been ages since I've checked in here, but I saw Levon and the Barn Burners last night in Schenectady and thought you would like to hear about it. First of all, the club, the Van Dyck, was packed. Levon and his band were great. This was only the second time I've seen Levon.

Last night, they kicked out some solid, tight blues. Levon is interesting to watch because he's really studious behind the kit. He's got this concentrated bearing and you can see that he's totally into it. The Barnburners are excellent musicians. Chris O'Leary on harmonica and vocals really stands out. Frankie Ingrao on bass, like Levon, adopts a studied pose.

His big dog bass provides a sturdy foundation.

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Chris O'Leary offers efficient chops on the guitar. And Amy Helm is a wonderful vocalist. So altogether, they churn out a great blues groove that kept all heads nodding and feet stomping. One tune they did from the Band repertoire was "Mystery Train. What a wonderful guy he is. He obviously knows about this web site, and when I told him my moniker, he said "oh yeah, that's a great song. At this point, Levon was in conversation with several fans, and he was talking with a woman who teaches musical theory in a local school.

He said something to the effect that he studied this once but didn't stick with it. He was so engaging and pleasant and open. He takes an active interest in you and really listens -- not something you expect from a star musician. Levon said that although this guy has been to hell and back, he's got the sweetest soul and temperament you can imagine. To hear Levon enthusiastically tell this anecdote suggests a great admiration for Sumlin, a man who's taken all the knocks from life and still came out smiling. After the breakup of this discussion, I just sort of loitered around backstage because I had a beer to finish.

He said sure, and he took me to the back room. I had thought the night before if there is anything I could ask Levon, it would be about the jazz influence on his drumming. So I said to Levon, you're drumming has often been compared to a jazz-style. Levon said "really? At any rate, I said other than Cannonball Adderley, what jazz musicians have you listened to in the past.

He mentioned Adderley's drummer, I forget his name, as an influence. He also said Oscar Peterson was playing in Canada when the Hawks were there. He mentioned Art Blakely, Mark? DeJohnette spelling? I said "Elvin Jones, you saw him with Coltrane?!?! Elvin was phenomenal, according to Levon. I asked him if he met Charles Mingus. He did meet Mingus, although this was at a time when Charles was older and very sick.

According to Levon, in his early days, when he was a young, aspiring musician, he used to hang around jazz clubs just so he could meet and shake hands with the drummers, and perhaps get noticed. The discussion also veered into the blues, and Levon noted that his highest musical achievement was to play with Muddy Waters I took this to mean the album he produced in Woodstock. This was bigger than the Band or anything else he could accomplish. Playing the blues with Muddy was the real deal, it captured what music was all about. He mentioned Hubert Sumlin again and pointed out this guy played for both Howlin' Wolf and Muddy, "can you imagine that, the only groups you ever played in was with these two giants?!

He said the Band years were difficult and weren't always fun. I suggested that probably the early years were good, and he affirmed that, pointing to the first two albums as the best period. During this conversation, Butch came up and offered Levon and me a piece of gum didn't I say that he's a sweet guy!?! Soon after this, Levon excused himself as he had to get ready for the second set. In sum, I just wanted to share some of these personal experiences with you. Meeting Levon and enjoying his warm, affectionate character was a thrill.

The man also looks great. So a big thanks to Levon, Amy, Butch, and the band for a wonderful night. I've included the link to the article. That's one I sure would have loved to experience. Garth, along with Elvis C. Let's all hope Garth heads out for a nice little tour to promote the new CD. I know Hal Wilner is involved Will this become a CD release at some point? Anybody know? Hasn't Wilner been touring with some sort of Harry Smith concert for a couple years now?

Marianne Faithful singing "John the Revelator"?!? Nice job on the Howard Sounes interview You asked him why a new book on Dylan with so many already available and he simply refered to Peter Guralnick and his excellent Elvis books I'm going to order "Down the Highway" today A question that might be answered by anyone who has seen the remasters sleeve notes to Moondog Matinee. Is this right? Also what are the others? Who recorded them? Cupid: Thanks for explaining about Clapton's guitar strap. I always thought that it 'broke', although it didn't make much sense to me since it was 'fixed' in seconds.

Now it makes sense! George G: Thanks so much for filling us in on Maud and Garth's performance. I knew they'd be great.. I do want to mention that the pride and little 'shuffle' from Garth is the real deal. Maud not only has a beautiful voice, but has a beautiful heart and unbreakable spirit as well. I'm proud of her too! And on a personl note to the weary travelers I love the TLW. I think that Scorese doesn't let The Band speak for themselves enough. Even Robbie, who he is always accused of favouring.

I think he constantly asks them to rephrase and shift the emphasis of their comments. Also, I think that at the end of Old Time Religion Robbie takes his cigarette out of his mouth, looks at it and says "its not like it used to be," not, "things are not like they used to be. And for the record I think that Rick sings and plays great. I was amazed at how well they traded off verses between Richaed, Levon and Rick. It was not heard of at that time and is still not done today. Switching intrumental rolls was another of the many surprises that I experienced that night.

It is to this day the most inspiring event that I have witnessed. Never before had i seen so much talent on one stage and I have yet to see any other band even come close to the stars that shown that night. After all is said and done there will always be Since there have been none on the GB I'm compelled to share mine. Garth was fantastic. I think he played on 10 to 12 songs. It was just the two of them. Maude was seated in a wheel chair behind Garth and his keyboards.

Maude has a real nice voice and it fit well on this apocalyptic hymn. The way Garth was stooped over his instrument, his forehead almost touching the keyboards. His accompaniment on this tune was perfect. I felt he was putting every part of his soul into blending his music with his wife's voice.

He seemed so happy performing with his her. After they ended the song Garth stood up and turned to his wife and raised his right arm in the air and did a little shuffle. It was an expression of complete joy. Garth also had a prominent piano solo on a song called John the Revelator that Marianne Faithfull sang lead and Beck, Steve Earle, and some other guy were the backup singers.

Beck blurted out "play it Garth" at the beginning of the solo. Also I'm happy to report that Garth received the 3rd most number of shouts of performers names from the audience behind Beck and Elvis Costello. I hope someone else who was there will give their impressions. I know I'm leaving out and forgot a lot of details. It simply slipped off the strap peg.

If you watch closely you'll notice that his strap is fold over the peg sort of backwards rather than hanging as it would normally. In the past a number of GB folks have made mention of this and for some goof ball reason it bothered me that they said he broke the strap. I watched it again today and as usual I laughed at Richard's "break even" comment,swooned over Emmylou Harris and marvelled at Levon's vocal on "Don't to it". Ace blues guitarist Jimmy Vivino who has recently jammed with Levon more than a few times played in Laura Nyro's band. Before being made aware of all the negative politics I always found TLW to be amazingly uplifting as a fan Nice to hear you are doing so well John D Also nice to read Victoria's brief post thanking support from the Helm both Levon and Amy Go girl!!!

Oh to be young again, back in Ole Virginee Pehr and Pat: There is an audio file of that introduction on this site. I am looking for a The Band or Dylan song about a little boy being bitten by a snake. Any info please email me. Thank You! Complete with cryptic asides, you'd have to hear it to believe it. Congrats on being the first to bring up Michael Bolton for the first time I hope on this guestbook. I have stories that would raise your hair and make you shiver! Robbie Robertson, help the Traditional Iroquois. This will only help the Iroquois not your bank roll or your stature in Hollywood.

Don't you realise that we people who live in remote corners of the world depend on you for our vicarious excitement? They did a rendition of the Coo Coo which is probably one of my favourite songs from the Anthology. How I would have liked to have seen that.

Another review, which you can find if you click the weblink above, reports that "Garth Hudson ended the evening at a. A quite fitting conclusion. There's no real Band link, as far as I know, in Laura's story, but I always loved the gospel coloring in her piano style. It affected me in much the same way as Richard Manuel's. One similarity I felt between the two was that, even when they were upbeat or uptempo, there was real sadness in their singing and playing.

A never-fulfilled longing put to music. Since both are way too soon gone, I suppose we'll never know if they ever filled that void. As for Brits that spoke well of The Band, I think Procol Harum would have to be among the best that fell into that category. And wasn't Long John Baldry a Brit? Don't try to boojie woojie me on this one. Matt K nailed it as usual. To my eyes Levon is clearly looking at "Score-eatzy" as an outsider. Scorcese has a gift for capturing the spontaneous, the psycological, the layering of interaction, and TLW is no exception.

There wasn't enough Robbie in it! The other night I walked in there and they broke out into "The Weight" for me! Best to John D. Back to Mattk, who asked about brit rockers quotes on the "Hawks", I never have seen a direct quote. Baqck in those days the only guy I remember Pete ever complimenting was Steve Cropper.

Part of the Who mystique at the time was them being hOIe5! As I remember Dylan never introduced them at any shows, either collectively or individually; of course the effect they had is still being measured. I imagine pete and co were blown away by the sheer musicianship of these guys aside from the music itself which makes alot of the stuff going on there at the time look childish. John had the utmost respect for Ronnie Hawkins in regards to just about everything but his phone bill as I have heard it told.

I read in Heylin that Dylan knew of Hawkins from when he was a kid but you cant believe most of what he tells you. I do wonder how far back Lennon went with knowing of Hawkins. John D: An "event", hm? Elly: I just read your last post twice, and although I get the feeling that you were very much trying to make a point, I'm afraid I missed it. Can you clarify? Have a good night everyone. Welcome home Maud and Garth!

Don't know how many people read the article lately about actor Morgan Freeman. When not in Hollywood, Mr. Freeman lives in Clarksdale Mississippi. Home of The Blues. He's opening a Juke Joint there. He figures people expect a good juke joint when you come to the land of Muddy Waters.

It opens this July. God New Orleans in August. It doesn't get any hotter!!! Be a good spot for Levon and The Barnburners!! Because I feel close to so many in the guestbook Sometimes when I get pissed at the human race, I look to some wonderful people in this guestbook. You know who you are.

Heart Attacks are called "events" by the professionals. My event was not catered. For anyone in the Toronto area or who want to listen at www. Don't want to appear sacrilegious; but I did not concentrate on The Band on this one; but on the subject himself. Sounes is a real fan born in When asked why he wrote the book with so many others out there he said " he really didn't find the majority of Dylan books entertaining and not enough revealed.

Actually, to me at least, playing delta blues in a club is as far away from The Band as working on soundtracks. For a lot of reasons. Even a cursory look at the original quintet's tour schedules shows a group not all that interested in playing live, with very little, if any, delta blues as part of the songlists.

Then again, they did want to score all of Easy Rider, so I ammend my initial feelings about working on soundtracks. Her brother, operating as Frank Rondell, recorded one of the very first cover versions of a Robbie Robertson song - "Someone Like You" in or ' He was one of two keyboardist in the group - standard practice in those Hawkish days. P Bean its a great book that tells of all Joe's wild and crazy years and his good times and bad times and it was said that he at one faze of his career used to sing In a Station at his concerts. I also have Joes box set and he does a great version of The Weight, also he does Out of The Blue on his have a little faith album.

Iwas wondering if anyone has any Cocker bootleg tapes or if any one had ever seen him perform those Band songs and if they ever shared the same concert bill. Hollow Roy Women are no toys.. You seem like a lost boy.. That triple treat was disappointing because yo can't always believe waht you hear and it probably turned into a triple threat! Or tricks for treat. Thanks for the info on the Laura Nyro music. As I told you, I was shut out from doing my music all along. The rest you heard is a delusional lie--and we won't let you buy into it anymore!!! That is the good musiciansDon't let that slander spread We need to get our beautiful music full of serentity and strength out there.

And don't let the head games going around that you said upset you by the hill get to you either. Our music is too good. I guess it's part of the originally stolen and slandered lyrics that these ineffectual musicians want to lend their name to. I know we talked about good music being spread and our peaceful ways and my crucifix having been stolen but to tell you the truth--James, today is hitting an all time high after I was verbally and spiritually assaulted on the local streets here.

And it's not stopping anywhere I go. Talk about a cold atmosphere. This is bloddy freezing and all I want to do is rehearse. My music is being slandered again After I talked about "The Conversation" MY original project that would have highlighted many good musicians and would have gotten me great accolades and shut out the bad rip offs of my songs. I can't even sing quietly without being harrassed or have purposeful misinterpretations attempt to ruin my day..

There is some really untalented person out there trying to steal our music and lie again--hey don't let 'em We have the law on our side!! The same ones probably infecting my life here as well by that hideous old song stealer. That's what I heard. Poor Michael Bolton--and he didn't even have a clue Hope your listening The soundtrack looks very interesting, and it got a great review in last week's Billboard magazine.

I did not say "agendas," I used the word "poison" and I stand by it. All I mean is that with Richard, Rick, Robbie and Levon in TLW there are hints at the issues that were driving them apart, and later on even resulted in tragedy Robbie's tired, looks fried, and clearly expresses why he can't tour anymore. Levon is very terse with Scorcese and barks at him when he asks about women on the road. He's clearly not happy with the way things are ending.

That great scene with "old time religion" where Rick can barely play, and RR ending the scene with "things ain't what they used to be" - the most telling moment of the movie, IMHO. Richard clearly wasted on the couch. Rick's melancholy while he plays back "sip the wine" in the recording studio. Yes there are some great moments of genuine warmth the best, for me, is the "longest burning match" scene where RR and Levon talk about NYC and Levon holds a burning match for the better part of a week.

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At the end of the day, TLW is a bittersweet film to me. Not just because it's the end of a group or an era, but because it manages to dig just enough below the skin to show that there's a lot going on here emotionally, creatively, spiritually thanks Garth and chemically. What was once a group of very close guys are no longer so close though it seems after some time passes four of them manage to reconnect outside the spotlight. I know some here deride TLW for not being more of a documentary and being too cinematic.

But I think it's a brilliantly directed film, even if it's not so much an historical document as, say, Pennebaker would make. Part of that brilliance comes from the subject matter - a famous rock band, ruined by success and at the end of their rope due to infighting and a kind of intertia. This may rankle some, but I think that's why it acts as much more than a concert film, it's an emotional diary.

The last recording, on soundstage of Evangeline, ends with all five guys moving away from each other. It's a telling moment, and one that I think only a guy like Scorcese could get at. I love this site, why so much negativity?? Maybe someone can tell me why does there always have to be so much acrimony in this place toward RR, and to a lesser extent, toward LH?? No question, but that these guys, in the aggregate, were the greatest rock emsemble ever assembled!!

Don't we all agree on that premise? Accordingly, what possible end could be served by making pejorative remarks or by castigating any member of such an esteemed group, when to do so, in my judgment mitigates their significant legacy!! Sorry to preach, but it gets more than a little disconcerting to read the constant bile spewed herein by a few rabble rousers!! Enough said!! A misheard lyric that still intrigues me: When I first heard "Up on Cripple Creek", it was on a static laden AM station on the radio of a noisy 63 Falcon.

I heard the phrase as "Hop on, Triple Treat". I presumed that this was a summons to some sort of consentual romantic activity followed by the pet name of one of the participants. My tiny mind started whirling around, trying to figure what trio of sexual skills or assets this lady might have demonstrated in order to earn the title, Triple Treat. When I finally heard the song clearly, I was almost disappointed.

Other Band-related mondegreens: "I made a tent at Richmond that fell" and "Look out Cleveland, Georgia's coming through. Robbie who???? I will take Levon in a club giving his fans what they want great delta blues!! Can't wait for tonight Barnburners in NY. Thats what it is all about performing for the ones who love the music, what a guy! I guess I don't mean "shifty" in a negative way so much, as that they acted like "rounders".

Shop-lifting stories, first trips to NYC, "midnight rambles" To me it looked like Robbie was warming up for his part in 'Carney' Whoever said he acts about as well as James Taylor acts, hit it on the nose Raggedy-Assed as Bob, Keith and Woody were If Bruce got up and said such a thing, at the time, they woulda said "Well Said, Bruce" Anyone here know how close, if at all, The Band got to play at Live Aid? I'm not a big George Thoroughgood fan I heard that Neil Diamond once had Albert Collins paint his house To me , that's a worse crime than "Dry Yer Eyes" Maybe he did I dunno WHY not?

Now then I'll expect reports on my desk tomorrow morning I'd love to hear from Garth also but this assumption that the others were 'shifty' or had other agendas in mind during the interview segments of TLW seems to be a stretch-I haven't watched the video in a while, but i never recall getting that feeling - Can anyone point out an example of Levon's bitterness in the interviews of TLW? By the Way- favorite sitar song: 20th floor Sitar in three movements - 1. The Toss 2. The Flight 3. The Crash it ends with a bang! Thread: musical parents and children. Did anyone mention David Crosby and his biological son, James Raymond?

They have done some great music together in the band called CPR. By the way, Jesse Colin Young raises coffee in Hawaii now, but sometimes plays gigs with his son I agree, the Band as they appear in 'The Last Waltz' look like "shifty characters". All except for Garth, who seems the most genuinely relaxed His musical contributions as a member of the Band and as a session guy on other's music are always deeply felt I don't see how his upcoming CD couldn't be good.

I've not seen the latest liner notes, but Mr. This is extremely unfortunate, because he's the guy whose ideas I'd really like to hear. Find me one Garth interview even on this site - he's rarely even paraphrased, except in some oblique reference eg, "according Rick, Garth developed a cold fusion reactor to power his Wulitzer, but could not get the proper zoning from the town of Woodstock and was rather frustrated about it". Likewise, in most Band video takes, he rarely, if ever, talks.

On Classic albums, I'm thinking he says very little, if anything while Rick, Levon and Robbie go on at length. This is a shame. Garth is the warmest and most positive of the interviews in the TLW, nap or no nap. With the other three, you can see all poison under the surface. Garth wants to talk about how jazzmen were shaman. He rules. As far as Levon goes, well, God bless him, but why would anyone connected with original Band material or it's label WANT to talk to him? He's made it quite clear what he thinks of Robbie, the re-issues, etc.

When the first batch was released, he used a golden opportunity with Rolling Stone to waste more ink blasting Robbie. Besides, there's no guarantee that Levon wasn't approached by Bowman and showed him the door - if Bowman is perceived as "pro-RR," I can't imagine Levon was too eager to sit down and talk about the old days with him. Rick, unfortunately, is gone, as is Richard. Doesn't leave much BUT Robbie for quotes. Personally, I'd like to see more interviews behind these things as well, but you can only work with what you've got. Just got the new reissues.

I haven't listened yet. One thing I will say, it doesn't look like Rob Bowman endeavored to fix his mistake last time and interview Garth or Levon.

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It's the Robbie show and I'm sure these linear notes will irritate the Levonistas. He talks about why Rick never finished writing songs on his own. I must add that I agree with Butch -- Bucky Baxter is one of my favorite steel guitar players -- although he's said some pretty cranky things about Dylan fans. He reportedly called them kooks in the Sounces book. Dylan's new man Larry Campbell is brilliant. BTW Chardonnay is Clapton of winegrapes. Web site is a gb vCard. MAY 31st. I guess there were scheduling problems but the owner of Moondog's assures me that the concert will definitely happen.

See y'all there Butch, the first round is on me. That's the first Meat Loaf post I can recall. Welcome Paul. Check out The Band while you're here. John Cassyou've seen em before, has a club ever been able to keep the fans from gettin up do dance, etc. Chris comes out and eyeballs the crowd--Levon and Frankie get the groove goin, Pat start playin!!!!!!

What they gonna do when Amy comes out? Still workin on a way to get there?????????? So there I was last night, in a bad mood, rushing through the grocery store in order to pick up a kid on time Go figure :- Peter: As a follow-up to that awful song we talked about yesterday.. I have a question. How can someone get away with that? It's obviously blatant 'stealing'. How could that tune have been recorded.. Off to work. He makes me feel crazy with excitement when he starts to sing. I don't know but I believe that I'm his biggest fan. I'd certainly do anything for a great song. His songs are based on stories that are often close to tears If you like electric sitars, you'll find some on Garth's latest I have a friend that is an amazing guitarist.

It sounds awesome, and he uses it on almost half the songs in his new band, an instrumental project. They recently made a cd demo. If anyones interested, I'll try and get them to you. It's really good stuff. I think I'll listen to a little sitar music and nod off Above link goes to a good pic of the Coral electric sitar, which seems to be for sale by or owned by Dan Fogelberg? There were others made, too.

I to a good look at it, too, because I moved around to a position directly in front of him and motioned for him to move forward, which he did, very graciously standing right under a spot for a few seconds so I could view the instrument. When I smiled and nodded, he nodded as well, and then stepped back into the shadows. Jerry Jones guitars www. Those without use a resonating bridge of some kind. Maybe we can instigate a comeback! Catching up on some new acquisitions and taking a break from the Dead Will have to go back and read the discussions regarding the outtakes that overlap Basement Tapes.

They seem much richer sounding on this release. Hoping my remastered Brown is waiting for me at home. Hey Macedonia!

You know who!!! Any Laura Nyro fans out there? Wish I had the dosh to check it out! RW too! California sunshine Ah Carmelland fo Pacific Dreams Remember, "and in the end, the love you take is equal to the real love you make The sitar-like sound reached another dimension with the Coral electric sitar. Anyone recall this weird looking guitar, with additional sympathetic strings, that graced many classic recordings? Interesting sound but definitely not Shankar ragas. Our "crack" IT Dept. I strongly recommend you check it out.

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Lots of great stuff!!! The lady said he is playing two shows one at and one at pm the only seats they had left are near the bar that could be trouble I have never been to this place it sounds like all you can do is sit there and listen no walking around or rockin and rollin to the Barnburners, man the times I have seen them you could get up and dance and just have a blast its too bad that this club sounds a little mello for the Barnburners.

If anyone out in GB land has ever been to this place explain it to me on what I am going to expect. This extravagant praise leads me into more musing on the best ways of appreciating music. I almost had forgotten that I was heavily into modern jazz circa , and when I lived in Norwich a fine city by the way attended several jazz performances.

Great album too. But in other performances by John Surman, Chris Spedding and others, it seemed incumbent on many of the audiences to adopt a recumbent position while appreciating the music. Still, I can watch the new episode of Friends instead. Are my priorities slipping? For the past several weeks I've been breaking in a new set of speakers. Three great LPs, all originally released in , keep finding their way onto my turntable.

Then there's "Otis Blue" from Otis Redding. The recent Sundazed gram LP all-analog remaster from the orignal mono master. A big fan of Sam Cooke, Otis pays tribute to Mr. After listening to Otis sing the latter, I just had to get out my LP copy of "Moondog Matinee" to hear Rick's wonderful interpretation of the same song. Finally -- there's the new gram LP reissue of Dylan's "Bringing It All Back Home", another all-analog remastering from Sundazed taken from the original mono master. This is definitely the best version I've ever heard of this album.

A must for all Dylan fans. Speaking of the Sundazed label -- they e-mailed the other day to let me know that "Bringing It All Back Home" is just the first of an ongoing LP reissue project involving the Dylan catalog. Next up is "Highway 61 Revisited" another mono remaster coming soon. Words of wisdom Eric stop yer killing me hahahah That's funny.

Thanx I needed the laugh B E G. I do love an honest answer, good on ya Eric Gary Chang did a lot of movie music in the 80s you can probably tell by the somewhat dated music. The other outtakes from the first record were good enough to keep in the can and possibly bring out later like "What About Now".

Please tell me what you think and which of them you find best. You can email me to the ad poseidon mail. Ragtime, don't kill me. Web site is a gb v Card. Brown Eyed Girl: family thread Thijs Vermeulen Sjako! Ilkka played bass in a rock group I know, one of his family members played keyboards George W II Brown Eyed Girl Just listened to RR's out take "Tailgate" and was wonderin' if that song or a cover of it will be on the new movie 'Driven' soundtrack? I can also see why it was left off RR's first. Anyway the first 30 minutes of the number are the hardest, then you really get into it for the last two hours.

I hope this is a suitably short explanation of the exotic pleasures of Indian music in Band terms. Best advice is to lie down while listening to evening ragas, and I believe this facility was available at the concert all those years ago. The only Kinks-Band connection that comes to mind is that the drummer loathed the lead guitarist. There are no songs from RR. Lil: i think the only way out is to find a copy of the P. Arnold version of "Angel of the Morning" and hope they get to like that better.

Wasn't it written by Chips Taylor? Mild Band connection via "Seven Days in May. I will catch up. Springsteen the "Donovan of Rock 'n' Roll"! Thank you Eric! Gee, how about a most overrated artist thread? Ah, I can see the mortars lining up on the opposite shore of the Delaware now And no disrespect intended to you Donovan fans. Also The Black Crowes Robinson brothers, isn't it? Richard and Mimi Farina. Dylan on Dylan: "I've done more for Dylan Thomas than he's ever done for me.

It just came to me as I was standing there Wasn't Dylan Thomas at all, it just came to me. I knew about Dylan Thomas of course, but I didn't deliberately pick his name. When I was a child, there was Bob Dylan Eric: "It's a very difficult thing to sum up. Yes, him and Van Morrison I think stole the show. Bob can walk on the stage tomorrow, anytime, anywhere There's very few around with that charisma.

When they thought about wrapping up Live Aid, actually someone said to me weeks before, Who would you have to close it? I said, There's nobody else. That's it. Springsteen's actually just the rock 'n' roll Donovan". Peter: Arrghh! You hit one of my latest aggravations by mentioning that god-awful tune 'stolen' from "Just call me angel of the morning".

Did I already say that? And adding to the thread of family members in music I just want to mention that Rick's son Eli played the guitar he would've told you 'not very well'.. I enjoyed listening to him and Rick play together when I had the chance That would be something I'd treasure They were brothers, weren't they? James Dillon was an early Hibbing settler. This might be because we all read the Welsh poet assiduosly, but I think not. But Bob is a better poet than Dylan in the fullness of things. Last time it was Neneh Cherry and Supertramp.

To Tommy, I have long since given up trying to know any details about Dylan's pre- Greenwich Village life. He tells too many different stories to too many different people. Maybe its a form of protection or a way of participating in the mythic world of his songs, or maybe its a habit. In Elliott Landy's book he says that Richard Manuel warned him not to take some things Dylan said too seriously because the chances were Dylan was fooling around. Or to take another, less commented on example, when Dylan was writing the songs for 'Desire' he told an interviewer that he was reading Joseph Conrad's 'Heart of Darkness.

I know Dylan read a lot of poetry so I wouldn't be surprised if he did name himself after Thomas. I have absolutly no good reason for thinking this, but i've always assumed that the whole 'Dillion' thing was just to throw people off. The Kink,s:Arthur and the Rise and Fall of the I just finished listening to the former last night and continue to be amazed at how well Ray Davies is able to comment on things British. I think his social commentary is a little stronger than The Band,s tho.

Seeing as there is a lot of talk about threads on this site are there any connections between the two groups? I'm not even sure if this post will make it, I'm guesting on my nephew's hotmail account. In a couple days i'll be in LW territory, after I get back home hopefully I can make a belated post to the used music thread. I enjoyed the info in your post so much that I printed it. I have an older guitar playing uncle that turned me on to Bryant. I've only managed to find one CD in a record store with him and Speedy West.

I see stuff on eBay, but it goes for pretty big bucks. My uncle met him at a music store in Nashville in the late 60's. He was playing and my unc says he was amazing. I didn't know as much as you posted about him - thanks. But after awhile the sitar music grabs me, and by the end I'm fixed on it and in awe at the incredible talent that Ravi Shankar has.

He has a great command and respect for the instrument I always liked the story that George Harrison tells, where he is sitting on the floor with Ravi taking an early sitar lesson, when George's phone rings. George lays the sitar down, and goes to step over it to get to the phone. Ravi slaps George on the foot and tells him it's disrespectful to step over the sitar. I bet the Beatles didn't get slapped much. It's well deserved. It was much bigger and more powerful than what British bands were used to; recall that the Beatles played Shea Stadium with a bunch of Vox Grenadier PA columns--I think there were four or six relatively small speakers in each, which means nobody in Shea would have been able to hear much even if the girls were all quiet.

Even newcomers to the concert scene commented on the size and power of Dylan's PA, and how loud the music was. As far as musicians commenting on the show--which in the case of Royal Albert Hall wasn't all that good--Gary Brooker of later Procol Harum fame claimed the experience made him adopt the Hawks' piano-organ setup. And let's face it: the Stones could do their RnB thing, but they couldn't match Robbie and Garth for brilliance.

Add Dylan up front, Rick and Mickey Jones pounding the pavement, and Richard filling in the holes, and you have something the Stones could only dream about. One thing, Hank. All three bands came up playing the clubs, which in my mind is what makes a bunch of musicians into a band. MATTK raises an interesting point I don't have ANY idea or have read contemporanius reports However, they got precious little studio time or Media exposure for it To answer your question Matt Pepper" show, saying everyone in London went a bit loopy in because Dylan had been thru the year before with The Hawks and blew everyones mind Makes sense to me The album is well worth having for that and some other stuff, including the farewell of Harry Nilson.

I'll review all the bonus tracks when I have them all